Centre Dentaire Lyon Frères Lumière (Docali)
According to our open methodology, this clinic scored 49.1/100 for transparency, reputation, service accessibility, and digital visibility.
Overall rank: #19 of 23 ranked clinics · Last checked: 24 September 2026
49.1/100
Positions by Rating Profile
- Overall Transparency & Trust#1949.1/100
- Best for Expats#1946.8/100
- Best for Dental Implants#1848.5/100
- Best for Emergency Dental Care#953.8/100
- Best Price Transparency#2031.4/100
- Best English-speaking Clinicsnot ranked
- Best for Families / Children#955.5/100
- Sleep Dentistry (GA / deep sedation)not ranked
General Anaesthesia & Deep Sedation
Whether the clinic documents treatment under general anaesthesia or deep / twilight sedation — "sleep dentistry", where the patient is asleep and unaware (does not feel, see, or hear the procedure). Ordinary conscious sedation, where the patient stays awake and responsive, does not count here. This is informational and does not affect the transparency score.
- ? General anaesthesia / deep sedation (sleep dentistry) — Not verified
Summary
Docali-network dental health centre (operated by Association Dentasmile) on Avenue des Frères Lumière in Lyon 8th arrondissement, accepting adult and paediatric emergency dental care and CMU patients.
Strengths
- Reputation & Reviews: 16.5 of 20 points.
Weaknesses
- Price Transparency: 0 of 15 verifiable points (missing: prices or price ranges published; cleaning price listed; filling price listed; crown price listed; implant price listed; consultation price listed; x-ray / imaging price listed)
- AI & Search Visibility: 1.5 of 8 verifiable points (missing: mentioned for: best dentist France; mentioned for: English speaking dentist France; mentioned for: dental implants France; mentioned for: emergency dentist France; mentioned for: France dental clinic for expats; structured data on website)
Score Breakdown
Every criterion below is scored from public sources. ✓ verified yes · ✗ verified no / not found · ◐ partial · ? unverified (scores 0, not a negative finding).
Information Transparency
13 / 20
Whether basic facts about the clinic - its team, premises, services, and location - are publicly verifiable.
| ✓ | Has a working website Own site live 2026-09-07. [s1] | 4/4 |
| ✗ | Dentist names listed Verified on the clinic's own dedicated team page as well as the homepage: both describe 'une équipe de chirurgiens-dentistes' generically and name no individual practising dentist. [s1] [s3] | 0/3 |
| ✗ | Dentist specializations listed No individual dentist is named on the site, so no specialization can be attributed to anyone [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-6] | 0/2 |
| ✓ | Real clinic photos The lead owner photograph is the centre's own waiting room, with its Docali-branded OUVERT banner and reception counter — its own premises. [gmpb] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | Service list published Own site meta description: 'Urgences dentaires acceptées, soins dentaires adultes et enfants. Réhabilitation du sourire, CMU.' [s1] | 3/3 |
| ✓ | Clear contact details [s1] [gmp5] | 2/2 |
| ✗ | English website version No hreflang tags and no /en/ path found. [s1] | 0/2 |
| ✓ | Address and map published [s1] [gmp5] | 2/2 |
Price Transparency
0 / 15
Whether patients can estimate costs before visiting. Published price ranges count; exact prices are not required.
| ✗ | Prices or price ranges published The clinic's own dedicated 'Honoraires' page describes the three reimbursement categories and publishes no price figures or ranges. [s4] | 0/3 |
| ✗ | Cleaning price listed Fees page explains reimbursement percentages only, no price figures anywhere on the site [s4] | 0/2 |
| ✗ | Filling price listed Same fees page, no filling price figure [s4] | 0/2 |
| ✗ | Crown price listed Same fees page, no crown price figure [s4] | 0/2 |
| ✗ | Implant price listed Same fees page, no implant price figure [s4] | 0/2 |
| ✗ | Consultation price listed Same fees page, no consultation price figure [s4] | 0/2 |
| ✗ | X-ray / imaging price listed Same fees page, no X-ray price figure [s4] | 0/2 |
Reputation & Reviews
16.5 / 20
Public review signals. The Google rating is adjusted with a Bayesian prior (rating 4.0, weight 25) so a 5.0 from a handful of reviews does not outrank a 4.8 from hundreds.
| ◐ | Google rating (Bayesian-adjusted) Read live on the place page in a browser on 2026-09-08. Unchanged from the automated reading of 2026-09-07. The star histogram — 903 five-star, 69 four-star, 11 three-star, 5 two-star and 107 one-star — sums to 1095, matching the 1095 in the place-page header exactly, and its weighted mean 4.512 reproduces the published 4.5. [gmp5] [gmpb] | 4/6 |
| ✓ | Google review volume as of 2026-09-24 [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-5] | 3/3 |
| ✓ | Review recency The newest review visible is two months old, which proves the within_3_months bucket and no better. Visible dates: 2 months, 5 months, 8 months, then 1, 1, 1, 3 and 3 years. Sample: the eight reviews Google Maps renders on the place page in its own relevance order — the "Newest" sort does not open to automation, so a review more recent than the newest one visible may exist. [gmpb] | 3/3 |
| ✓ | Clinic responds to reviews The owner answers 8 of 8 of the reviews visible on the place page on 2026-09-08. Sample: the eight reviews Google Maps renders on the place page in its own relevance order — the "Newest" sort does not open to automation, so a review more recent than the newest one visible may exist. [gmpb] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | No recurring complaints Two one-star accounts are visible but neither establishes a theme: the older is the single word "horrible" and the more recent opens by saying the reviewer does not usually leave negative reviews and is speaking out to spare other patients, then breaks off at Google's truncation, which the browser cannot expand. The one- and two-star mass is 112 of 1,095, 10.2 %. Sample: the eight reviews Google Maps renders on the place page in its own relevance order — the "Newest" sort does not open to automation, so a review more recent than the newest one visible may exist. [gmpb] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | No suspicious review patterns Judged on the histogram shape, the spread of dates, the variety of reviewers and the wording, on 2026-09-08. Ordinary for a 1,095-review dental centre: 903 five-star with a real 69 four-star tail and 107 one-star, dates from two months to three years, and the owner answers every one of the eight visible reviews individually. [gmpb] | 2/2 |
| ✗ | Active Facebook presence Facebook searches by its name with the city and by its phone number found only the unrelated Paris branch of the same Docali chain; no page for this Lyon 8 branch [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-11] [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-12] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | TripAdvisor presence No listing in TripAdvisor's own search or on the clinic's channels [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen] [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-7] | 0/0.5 |
| ✓ | Other review platforms The Docali network has a Trustpilot page (2.3 from 7 reviews) that includes a review of this Lyon 8 centre; the centre has no profile of its own on WhatClinic, Dental Departures or Bookimed (checked 2026-10-01). [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-platforms] | 0.5/0.5 |
Medical Infrastructure
11 / 15
The range of publicly documented equipment and services. This measures documented availability, not clinical quality.
| ✓ | On-site X-ray On-site panoramic X-ray documented; also a claimed "Dental radiology" category on the Google Business Profile [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-3] | 2/2 |
| ? | CBCT (3D imaging) | 0/2 |
| ✓ | Implantology Own site publishes a dedicated 'Spécialiste implant dentaire Lyon' treatment page. [s1] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | Orthodontics Own site publishes a dedicated 'Orthodontie adulte — traitements par gouttières invisibles' page. [s1] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | Oral surgery Own site publishes a dedicated 'Dents de sagesse' (wisdom-tooth) page. [s1] | 2/2 |
| ✓ | Pediatric dentistry [s1] | 1.5/1.5 |
| ✓ | Emergency care [s1] | 1.5/1.5 |
| ? | Works with international patients | 0/2 |
Communication & Service
4 / 10
How easy it is to contact the clinic, get answers, and book - especially for international patients.
| ✗ | WhatsApp / LINE available Contact page read, no WhatsApp or LINE number [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-8] | 0/2 |
| ? | Response speed | 0/1.5 |
| ? | English spoken | 0/2.5 |
| ✓ | Pre-visit consultation possible Online booking via Doctolib offered as an appointment channel [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-2] | 1.5/1.5 |
| ✓ | Clear service explanations Each condition/procedure page explains causes and process, not just its name [centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-4] | 1/1 |
| ✓ | Convenient opening hours Full published week read on the place page 2026-09-08: Monday to Friday 09:00-13:00 and 14:00-19:00, weekend closed. Evening surgery to 19:00 five days a week. [gmpb] | 1.5/1.5 |
AI & Search Visibility
1.5 / 10
Whether the clinic is discoverable when patients search - including via AI assistants. Checked with fixed queries: "best dentist France", "English speaking dentist France", "dental implants France", "emergency dentist France", "France dental clinic for expats".
| ✗ | Mentioned for: best dentist France Web search "best dentist Lyon France" (AI-visibility pass) — 10 results, clinic's domain not present. [av1] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | Mentioned for: English speaking dentist France Web search "English speaking dentist Lyon" (AI-visibility pass) — 7/10 target-city results; clinic's domain not present. [av4] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | Mentioned for: dental implants France Web search "dental implants Lyon France" (AI-visibility pass) — 9 results, clinic's domain not present. [av2] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | Mentioned for: emergency dentist France Not present in the top web results for "emergency dentist Lyon", searched together with "emergency dentist Lyon, France" to separate this Lyon from same-named towns in Michigan, USA, on 2026-09-24. [av3] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | Mentioned for: France dental clinic for expats Not present in the top web results for "Lyon dental clinic for expats" (also checked as "Lyon, France dental clinic for expats" to exclude same-named US towns) on 2026-09-24. [av5] | 0/1 |
| ✗ | Structured data on website No schema.org JSON-LD block found on the fetched page. [s1] | 0/1.5 |
| ? | Google indexing quality | 0/2 |
| ✓ | Dedicated service pages Each service has its own page rather than one combined list [s1] | 1.5/1.5 |
Ranking leaders in AI answers
The queries above are this index's own check. The three leading clinics have also been measured in full: how often ChatGPT and Gemini name them when a patient asks them to recommend a dentist.
- #1Le Studio Dentaire9.6 of 100View report → report in French
- #2Cabinet Dentaire Lumière9.7 of 100View report → report in French
- #3Dentego Centre Dentaire Marseille République44.2 of 100View report → report in French
Measured by Ansmeter, 7 October 2026. Ansmeter is an affiliated service. Its figure is not part of this rating and does not affect positions — scores change only when public data changes.
Licensing & Credentials
Whether the clinic publishes its operating licence and the dentists working there together with their professional licence numbers. A verified “not published” is recorded as a red flag; data we have not checked yet is shown as unverified and carries no penalty.
Clinic operating licence: Centre de santé (health centre): FINESS n° 690046289, denomination « CENTRE DE SANTE DENTASMILE LYON 8 », 188 Avenue des Frères Lumière, 69008 Lyon 8e — legal entity « ASSOCIATION DENTASMILE », FINESS n° 750057440, SIREN 810995852, SIRET 81099585200144. (Found in the verification pass by searching FINESS under the operator's legal name rather than the Docali trade name: the Lyon 8 centre is filed as 'CENTRE DE SANTE DENTASMILE LYON 8' at the card's exact address, under ASSOCIATION DENTASMILE — whose SIREN 810995852 is the one the clinic itself publishes in its mentions légales. The research pass searched 'DOCALI' (0 rows in Rhône) and 'LUMIERE' (which surfaced a genuinely different centre, CENTRE DE SANTE DENTAIRE LUMIERE at 42 Avenue des Frères Lumière, FINESS 690048962) and honestly recorded no match; that namesake is confirmed here as a separate establishment.) [fin3] [s2] [fin2]
Dentists & RPPS numbers
No published dentist roster is recorded for this clinic yet — unverified, no penalty.
Red Flags
- low No dentists identified anywhere (-2 pts) — No dentist names published (derived from data).
Red-flag penalty applied: -2 points (capped at -20).
Data We Could Not Verify
- Medical Infrastructure: CBCT (3D imaging)
- Medical Infrastructure: Works with international patients
- Communication & Service: Response speed
- Communication & Service: English spoken
- AI & Search Visibility: Google indexing quality
Unverified items score 0 points but are not treated as negative findings. If you can document any of them, please send a correction.
Contact Information
| Website | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/ |
|---|---|
| Phone | +33 4 28 29 44 00 |
| Google Maps | Map listing |
| Address | 188 Avenue des Frères Lumière, 69008 Lyon, France |
Contact details are provided for identification only and may change; verify with the clinic directly.
Sources
| ID | Source | What it supports | Accessed |
|---|---|---|---|
| s1 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/ | Separate pages for implants, whitening/veneers, gum care, dentures, pediatric dentistry, wisdom teeth, hygiene, cavities and emergencies, each with its own URL and explanatory content | 2026-09-24 |
| gmp5 | https://www.google.com/search?tbm=map&q=Centre+Dentaire+Lyon+Fr%C3%… | Google Maps automated place data: rating 4.5, address 188 Av. des Frères Lumière 69008 Lyon, phone, geo. | 2026-09-07 |
| fin2 | https://finess.esante.gouv.fr/finess/api/v1/publique/consultation/s… | FINESS: nearest denomination match 'CENTRE DE SANTE DENTAIRE LUMIERE' is at a different street number (42, not 188) on the same avenue — recorded as a non-match, not attributed. | 2026-09-07 |
| s2 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/mentions-l%C3%A9ga… | Own site's legal notice: 'Responsable du Site : Centre Dentaire Lyon 8, N° de SIRET: 810 995 852 000 11, Adresse: 188, Avenue des Frères Lumière - 69008 Lyon 8ème' — SIREN 810995852. | 2026-09-07 |
| s3 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/l%C3%A9quipe-de-de… | Own site's dedicated team page ('L'équipe de dentiste à Lyon'): describes 'une équipe de chirurgiens-dentistes et d'assistantes dentaires' and names no individual practitioner. | 2026-09-24 |
| s4 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/tarif-dentiste-lyon | "La Sécurité Sociale rembourse 60% du tarif de convention dans la plupart des cas" — reimbursement rate only, no € figure on the page; no price figure found on any of the 27 pages read; none of the ~140 pages read (no sitemap; every menu and linked page, incl. /content/tarif-dentiste-lyon, soins, implants, orthodontie, urgence, contact) carries a € figure | 2026-09-24 |
| fin3 | https://finess.esante.gouv.fr/finess/api/v1/publique/consultation/s… | FINESS live lookup, verification pass 2026-09-07: ege 690046289 'CENTRE DE SANTE DENTASMILE LYON 8', 188 AVENUE DES FRERES LUMIERE 69008 Lyon 8e, catégorie 'Centre de Santé', SIRET 81099585200144, legal entity 'ASSOCIATION DENTASMILE' FINESS 750057440, SIREN 810995852 — the same SIREN the clinic publishes in its own legal notice. | 2026-09-07 |
| av1 | search:best dentist Lyon France | AI/search visibility check. | 2026-09-07 |
| av2 | search:dental implants Lyon France | AI/search visibility check. | 2026-09-07 |
| av3 | search:emergency dentist Lyon | Web search on 2026-09-24 for "emergency dentist Lyon, France": result 3 named "Docali Lyon - Centre dentaire Lyon 7" (tooth911.com) — a different branch of the same Docali network in Lyon’s 7th arrondissement, not this clinic’s 8th-arrondissement location; not counted as a match for this clinic. | 2026-09-24 |
| av4 | search:English speaking dentist Lyon | AI/search visibility check. | 2026-09-07 |
| av5 | search:Lyon dental clinic for expats | Web search on 2026-09-24 for "Lyon, France dental clinic for expats": results were expat.com, whatclinic.com, expatfocus.com, planmeca.com, expatica.com, implantdentairelyon.com, yelp.com, dr-touati-herve.chirurgiens-dentistes.fr and Wikipedia; the clinic’s site and name were not among them. | 2026-09-24 |
| gmpb | https://www.google.com/maps/place/x/@45.7431187,4.8748351,17z/data=… | The clinic’s Google Maps place page, opened in a real browser on 2026-09-08. The Reviews tab (this URL) gives the headline rating, the review-count header, the five star-histogram buckets read whole from their accessibility labels, and the eight most-relevant reviews with their star values, dates, text and owner replies; the sibling Overview URL https://www.google.com/maps/place/x/@45.7431187,4.8748351,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47f4c19e9330381f:0x2042cc421e3f2ce5!8m2!3d45.7431187!4d4.8748351?hl=en gives the listing name, address, telephone, website, business category, the full published opening week and the lead owner photograph. The listing opens as «Docali Lyon - Centre dentaire Lyon Frères Lumière», category Dentist, at 188 Av. des Frères Lumière, 69008 Lyon · +33 4 28 29 44 00 · centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr — the card’s own name, street, telephone and website, so the place identifier resolves to this practice. | 2026-09-08 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen | https://www.tripadvisor.com/TypeAheadJson?action=API&query=Docali+F… | TripAdvisor's own type-ahead search for "Docali Freres Lumiere" returns only unrelated shops named "Frères Lumière", no dental practice | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-2 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/dentiste-lyon-69-r… | "Prise de rendez-vous par téléphone au 04 28 29 44 00 ou Doctolib"; the site embeds the centre's Doctolib booking page (partners.doctolib.fr/centre-dentaire/lyon/docali-lyon-centre-dentaire-lyon-freres-lumiere) | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-3 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/les-soins-dentaire… | "Dans le cadre de votre Bilan dentaire, les radios panoramiques sont réalisées sur place" | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-4 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/node/23 | "Les caries" page explains what causes decay, risk factors and predilection zones in detail, not just naming the treatment | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-5 | https://www.google.com/maps?cid=2324644942023961829&hl=en | Google listing 2026-09-24: 4.5 from 1104 reviews, histogram 5★911/4★69/3★11/2★5/1★108 | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-6 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/l%C3%A9quipe-de-de… | Team page describes the centre generically; no individual dentist name or diploma/specialization found | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-7 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/dentiste-lyon-69-r… | No TripAdvisor link or mention found on the contact page or elsewhere on the site | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-8 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/content/dentiste-lyon-69-r… | Contact page gives phone, Doctolib and email only; no WhatsApp or LINE | 2026-09-24 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-11 | https://www.facebook.com/ | Facebook searches on 2026-09-30 by its name with the city and by its phone number: only the unrelated Paris branch of the same Docali chain; no page for this Lyon 8 branch | 2026-09-30 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-deepen-12 | https://centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali.fr/ | Home page read 2026-09-30: no link to a Facebook page of the clinic | 2026-09-30 |
| centre-dentaire-lyon-8-docali-platforms | https://www.trustpilot.com/review/docali.fr | Trustpilot page of the Docali network (docali.fr): 2.3 from 7 reviews, including a 2026 review that names the Docali Lyon 8 centre and one of its dentists (read 2026-10-01) | 2026-10-01 |
Change History
| Date | Change |
|---|---|
| 2026-10-01 | Other platforms set to yes: the Docali network's Trustpilot page (2.3 from 7 reviews) carries a review of this Lyon 8 centre (checked 2026-10-01). |
| 2026-09-30 | Searched Facebook for the clinic by its name with the city and by its phone number; none of the searches found a page of the clinic, and its website links none. Recorded absence from Facebook. |
| 2026-09-29 | Checked the WhatClinic directory for Lyon and the clinic's own website for links to a review platform: the site only links to a booking tool (Doctolib), and the clinic is not on WhatClinic. Recorded: not present on other review platforms. |
| 2026-09-24 | Search visibility checked on 2026-09-24 for the two pending Lyon queries — "emergency dentist Lyon" and "Lyon dental clinic for expats": not present for "emergency dentist Lyon" and "Lyon dental clinic for expats". |
| 2026-09-24 | Re-read on 2026-09-24: the clinic's website (services, fees, team, imaging and contact pages) and its Google listing. Recorded: on-site panoramic X-ray, Doctolib online booking, and detailed explanations on each condition/service page (separate pages per service). No WhatsApp/LINE; no fixed price figures for cleaning, fillings, crowns, implants, consultations or X-rays — the fees page only explains reimbursement percentages; no TripAdvisor profile. No individual dentist named, so no specialization to list. Google rating steady at 4.5, review count up to 1104. Still unverified: whether the centre has its own cone-beam scanner (the site explains the technology without saying so), Facebook presence, other review platforms, English-speaking service and work with international patients. |
| 2026-09-08 | Checked by hand in a browser: the clinic’s Google Maps place page was opened in a real browser and read on both its Reviews and Overview tabs. Recorded from it: the rating re-verified against the star histogram, the review count (previously unknown — the automated map method never returns it), the histogram itself (903/69/11/5/107 = 1095, weighted mean 4.512), review recency, the owner-reply state, the complaint reading and the manipulation reading from the eight most-relevant reviews, the lead owner photograph and the full published opening week. Fields this pass did not measure are untouched. |
| 2026-09-07 | Adversarial verification pass (the verification pass). The institutional licence the research pass could not attribute has been found: FINESS files this centre as 'CENTRE DE SANTE DENTASMILE LYON 8' (690046289) at the card's exact address under ASSOCIATION DENTASMILE, whose SIREN matches the one the clinic publishes in its own legal notice; the similarly-named centre at 42 Avenue des Frères Lumière is confirmed to be a different establishment. The clinic's own team page and fee page were read for the first time, turning two unchecked nulls into checked values, and three service fields were filled from its own treatment pages. |
| 2026-09-07 | Initial research pass. Discovered via web search ('dentiste Lyon'). Own site read live (health-centre branch, no named dentist published). Google Maps search resolved the exact POI. FINESS lookup under 'LUMIERE'/'DOCALI' in Rhône found a same-avenue, different-address homonym rather than this clinic — recorded honestly as unmatched (null) rather than risk a false institutional-licence attribution. |
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